Jordan Greenhall wrote one of the most compelling and widely shared analyses of the political landscape in the wake of the Trump election - 'Deep Code' - about how the consensus mainstream media reality "Blue Church" was being disrupted by a new insurgent "Red Religion". He believes the recent viral interview between Jordan Peterson and Cathy Newman on Channel 4 News was another example of the consensus reality breaking down - a "glitch in the matrix". He talks to Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller - who made the first documentary about Jordan Peterson AND used to work at Channel 4 News for many years.

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